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NHL 18 roster reset

Discussion in 'Leaguegaming Hockey League (LGHL)' started by Greb, Jun 21, 2017.

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Should there be a roster reset for NHL 18

  1. Yes

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    70.9%
  2. No

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    29.1%
  1. brandovedo

    brandovedo S27 Pittsburgh LGHL Owner (XB1)

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    Suppose we make 2 simple changes:

    1. No trading resigns
    2. Raise resign price scale to:

    $500k-$1M contracts will increase by $750k
    $1.25M-$2M will increase $1M
    $2.25M-$3M will increase $1.25M
    $3.25M-$4M will increase $1.5M
    $4.25M+ will increase $1.75M


    For the current Top 10 teams in the standings, let's consider their S28 returning contracts and the contracts they might resign (which are debatable so I will guess). Some of these are the dominant teams you're afraid of, so tell me when you get scared and I'll stop OK?


    (teams are in alphabetical order)

    :team75: Chicago Blackhawks :team75:

    RETURNING CONTRACTS:

    Deusyuk $2M
    MasterAmerica $2M
    TeeLogan68 $750k
    Optehic $2M
    Smith l68l $2M
    Taeezster 85 $2M
    ShowStopper1986 $1M
    F R i K S x 9 9 $2M

    PROJECTED RESIGNS:

    D4N USA $4.25M
    1 unused resign

    ===

    :team6: Columbus Blue Jackets :team6:

    RETURNING:

    lxl MLGesus lxl $3M
    Globes $750k
    PROfesser waLsh $500k
    BullBreed333 $3M
    CaLL Me Jakoo $2M
    GRAZoMatic $2M

    RESIGNS:

    2 unused resigns

    ===

    :team23: Florida Panthers :team23:

    RETURNING:

    Basful $2M
    iAMoee $2M
    l JLP l $2M
    Serpe x 13 $500k
    Bxited $1M
    The Broche $2.5M
    Kazpor $2M
    Queek $500k

    RESIGNS:

    2 unused resigns

    ===

    :team77: Nashville Predators :team77:

    RETURNING:

    Ryanskov $6M
    Der Panda71 $2M
    Sty l27l $3.25M
    dirtracer91a $1.75M
    Pont40 $1M

    RESIGNS:

    Bonillax18 $1.25M
    1 unused resign

    ===

    :team12: New York Rangers :team12:

    RETURNING:

    Soapy412 $500k
    PitcheRxSwaGx $500k

    RESIGNS:

    Bunz McTooT $1.5M
    BLISDON $1.75M

    ===

    :team20: Ottawa Senators :team20:

    RETURNING:

    Hischier I13I $500k
    xWaddenx $500k
    King Inseal $6.5M
    Mees Top Cheese $1M
    nranieri29 $500k

    RESIGNS:

    Lebel x 71 $2.25M
    1 unused resign

    ===

    :team4: Philadelphia Flyers :team4:

    RETURNING:

    T lR lM $750k
    XxxTHEBENGALxxX $1.5M
    LFc Tino $1.5M

    RESIGNS:

    xDeJaVecu $2.5M
    GolSki40 $2.5M

    ===

    :team78: Pittsburgh Penguins :team78:

    RETURNING:

    Chr1s $2.25M
    SteveB9211 $1M

    RESIGNS:

    dcshoe $2.25M
    Karmuh x 86 $2.5M

    ===

    :team15: San Jose Sharks :team15:

    RETURNING:

    jewbawkka $1M
    Poooch $4.25M
    xTheos l7l $5.5M

    RESIGNED:

    Chenz l 4 l $1.25M
    Galleh $1.5M

    ===

    :team391: Winnipeg Jets :team391:

    RETURNING:

    Caminator66 $750k

    RESIGNED:

    PureRippin $5M
    SoY LoS 19 $3.5M

    ===


    OK that's the end of the scary story. You made it all the way to the end without covering your eyes! But is there really much that we should be afraid of?


    Conclusions / Questions:

    1. The recent powerhouse teams aren't exactly the ones who have the most to lose from a reset. So why erase the stability that returning contracts and resigns bring to all of our organizations?

    2. Resigned contracts are not necessarily more disruptive to league parity than preexisting multi-season steal contracts. And steals sneak through even more when everyone is in bidding (which maybe is why a majority of players voted for a reset. But the downside is that basically each steal leads to league cap being dumped into an overpaid contract for someone else).

    3. Raising resign prices stops some teams from having reasons to use both their resigns, but some resign-worthy contracts are overpowered. Is it worth preventing teams from being able to resign their reliable 2nd/3rd liners at fair prices? Just in order to degrade the strongest resigns? What's the best resign price scale?

    4. Building through the draft can be useful when done well. Good.
     
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    Instead of a roster reset for nhl 18. Just let teams keep their draft picks and guys on multiple season contracts.

    No resigns. Just for s28. Will have a bigger bidding pool and also not mess up teams who prepared for future seasons.
     
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  3. SweeT 9 LoU 84

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    That is the issue. People want to "fix or balance" things but then you guys want to punish the teams like WPG SJS PIT by not allowing them to do what they've been doing.

    In order to implement everything and make it fair for them as well as the teams who want these things. The entire thing needs to be reset and then the new rules implemented. That is what people do not seem to understand. You can't really do one thing to balance it out bc then it makes things unfair to those teams who have built their team the other way by all of the sudden implementing rules saying, hey this isn't fair your teams too good, were not gonna let you do that anymore, but we can keep all of our stuff and put you guys at an unfair advantage.

    So its either don't add those things and keep it the way it is or reset and add them, thus everyone starts in the exact same spot. That is the main issue at hand, on top of the addition of Las Vegas and how to allow them to be competitive withput poaching other teams rosters bc the NHL did it
     
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    Someone's getting screwed either way. Either teams who've built a certain way that aren't being able to, or guys that have built for next season and have it thrown away for a reset.
     
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    Technically no bc it resets everything so everyone starts over at an even playing field. Whereas, the instituting new rules and adding a team without resetting effects one and not the other. However, teams that are "building for the future" with draft picks and guys in multi year deals will lose out, BUT they'll have the same chances at their guys again in bidding, same as everyone else. On the other hand, teams who had been resigning and trading for resigns will have their guys in bidding but others will have more cap or less cap to spend on them which is where and why the reset suggestion came into play bc of people wanting to implement the "new rules" to team building for parity and competition sake.

    * Side note I'm against a reset personally, but i know it's what's best for the league so I don't care if it happens or not.
     
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    I'm in the same boat to be honest, but a reset does bring it's own issues. If there are too many contract years and re-signs you end up with a complete shitter of a bidding list.
     
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    Here's my 2 cents.

    I'm new to the NHL this season, ECU'ing for a few games so far. I started in the CHL in S8(S22 for NHL i think). Got my first starting role in S25 in the CHL. Moved up to the AHL last season for S26 and now S27. So I have almost 3 seasons under my belt in LG.

    If I understand the problem correctly, there are a number of teams that have managed to collect a stronghold of talent in the NHL, and they are able to keep these players from season to season making it too hard for the bottom feeders to gain any ground. If I look at the rosters, each team will retain anywhere from 1-8 players who are on existing contracts. Plus an Owner, GM, and AGM can be obtained without bidding or using a resign. Plus each team gets 2 resigns each off season. As the rules sit currently you can also trade for resigns from other teams.

    Each team has on average 3.8 players under contract for next season. well round up to 4, plus 3 management spots, plus 2 resigns. for 9 players. 13 for teams with 8 players under contract, and 6 for teams with 1.

    From looking at this I suspect the problem is that some players are never available in bidding. Each team gets to retain 2 resigns + 3 management for 5 players which can be done indefinitely for Management and a player won for $500,000 and given a 3 year contract can be retained for 18 seasons until his contract hits $10,000,000 which is probably the point at which any player wouldn't be resigned due to his contract being too high. although he probably is given the AGM tag for his 14th season.

    ---Contract - Raise Required to Resign
    1 $500,000
    2 $500,000
    3 $500,000 $250,000
    4 $750,000 $250,000
    5 $1,000,000 $250,000
    6 $1,250,000 $250,000
    7 $1,500,000 $250,000
    8 $1,750,000 $500,000
    9 $2,250,000 $500,000
    10 $2,750,000 $500,000
    11 $3,250,000 $750,000
    12 $4,000,000 $750,000
    13 $4,750,000 $750,000
    14 $5,500,000 $1,000,000
    15 $6,500,000 $1,000,000
    16 $7,500,000 $1,250,000
    17 $8,750,000 $1,250,000
    18 $10,000,000 $1,250,000

    So you have a core of 5 players (a starting line) that can stay together for quite awhile without costing too much. I don't think that's the problem, you need teams to have a certain identity with returning players. Especially if we want this league to gain viewership to more than just the players.

    Now, is this even a problem? Here's the current standings and the amount of players they have under contract. plus 5 more for management and resigns. (bolded have more than 4)

    ------Team-------PTS----under Cont
    1 San Jose Sharks 60 3
    2 Philadelphia Flyers 59 3
    3 Winnipeg Jets 58 1
    4 Pittsburgh Penguins 58 2
    5 Nashville Predators 51 5
    7 New York Rangers 49 2
    6 Ottawa Senators 49 5
    8 Columbus Blue Jackets 47 6
    9 Florida Panthers 46 8
    10 Chicago Blackhawks 46 8
    11 Minnesota Wild 43 5

    12 Edmonton Oilers 42 3
    14 New Jersey Devils 41 2
    13 Tampa Bay Lightning 41 3
    15 Arizona Coyotes 40 3
    16 Toronto Maple Leafs 40 5
    17 Boston Bruins 39 3
    18 Colorado Avalanche 36 3
    19 Montreal Canadiens 36 5
    20 Carolina Hurricanes 32 1
    21 New York Islanders 32 5
    22 Calgary Flames 31 3
    23 Detroit Red Wings 31 3
    24 Washington Capitals 30 2
    25 Vancouver Canucks 28 4
    26 Buffalo Sabres 27 4
    27 Dallas Stars 26 6
    28 Anaheim Ducks 21 5
    29 St. Louis Blues 19 6

    30 Los Angeles Kings 17 2

    The top 4 teams are below the average, and there are just as many in the bottom half as the top half. To me the problem is teams trading their resigns to these teams that have extra players they want to retain. Why are these teams trading their resigns? Why aren't they getting enough to help them get good?

    It seems to me that all we need to do is eliminate the trading of resigns. If each team retains 8 or 9 players from year to year and has to draft/Bid for the rest of their roster is that not reasonable?

    Each Teams management group needs to be able to remain intact indefinitely. You don't want to make it any harder to put competent managers in place. If the top tear talent is being consumed by these 3 players per team then there's nothing we can do about that. Now what we can do to help turn the talent over more frequently is increase the $ increase on resigns so that their contracts become too inflated quicker. if you look at the RL NHL if you want to retain talented players before they go to market you're gonna pay a hefty price. You're not gonna get away with minor increments like our system allows for.

    maybe it looks more like
    Player's salary: $500,000 - $1,500,000: a $1,000,000 increase
    Player's salary: $1,750,000 - $3,000,000: a $1,000,000 increase
    Player's salary: $3,250,000 - $5,000,000: a $1,500,000 increase
    Player's salary: $5,250,000 - $7,000,000: a $2,000,000 increase
    Player's salary: $7,250,000+: a $2,500,0000 increase

    so say you bid on a guy and get him at $5,000,000 you sign him for 2 years, his 3rd year you get him at $6.5M 4th at $7.5M, his 5th will cost you $10M at which point you gotta let him go to bidding. the way it stands now the increases are too small allowing teams to retain top talent for too long. For lower level players, you get them at $1.5M, probably only give them 1 year, if you want to resign them you got them at $2M in season 2, $3M in season 3, and $4M in season 4 if they are even worth that at that point. maybe they develop into a player worth $5.5M and get get them for a 5th season, but I'd say that's unlikely.

    I don't like the idea of not being able to trade resigned players though, its too restrictive on GM's. And its another headache for LG to track. If i'm correct the trading of a resign (during the offseason) goes like this. team A trades Mike's rights to team B for garbage, team B signs mike to a resign with an extra resign they have no use for, then team B trades mike and his new contract back to team A for something of value. Either this needs to be illegal, or team B needs to be smarter and ask for more value in return.
     
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    Get rid of the summer season it fucks up all the roster
     
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    Couple ideas after reading all this.

    1. Drastic change to the resigns. Maybe even a 100% increase in resign salary. Forcing teams to keep more 3rd liner type contracts and less time teams can hang on ridiculous steals.

    2. Huge issue I see is top end players refusing to play for teams, and crying until traded where they want to go.. how about rewarding teams for actually having these guys banned? As of now they get nothing. What if we increased their cap for the following season? The amount could be looked at, but it would help motivate these owners not to be bullied into trading these guys for a loss, just to get something.
     
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    Two sides of the coin. The rules may have changed but in the past I have been unfairly blacklisted/banned. You're basically giving Owners incentive for getting players banned. And with how shady literally everyone in this community is you'd run into some serious problems.
     
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    I think the bans would have to come under a harder review.

    But the hope would be that the rule would keep crybabies from holding their team hostage. Especially if along with it came a two season ban and mandatory buyout to play again.
     
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    They have to wait until at least the trade deadline before they say whether or not there will be a roster reset. Could impact management and trading this season.
     
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    It will impact trading this season. Even the fact that it might happen will impact what teams do. I would argue that the decision should be made public before the trade deadline so that teams can act accordingly. We already have teams that will get screwed over by a reset who have built for the future. Don't screw more people over by not telling them what they need to prepare for.
     
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    I made a post in regards to removing the Thursday night games. It seems that thread has since been deleted.
    I know this is off topic but
    This idea that I'll explain again had 15 more likes than any other proposal brought to the table.

    The idea is to have Thursday game removed for a 3s tournament each week.
    I believe a few brought up that there should be 3 games played during the LG Season on 1 specific night throughout the season.
    Someone said Tuesday and my issue with that is if you have a player who can't play Tuesday games. They will go from 7/9 to 6/9 each week. My alternative to the Tuesday night schedule of 3 games is to have an alternating schedule.

    Example:
    Week 1- 3 games Sunday
    Week 2 - 3 games Monday
    Week 3 - 3 games Tuesday
    Week 4 - 3 games Wednesday

    This would repeat itself twice to complete the season. The reason this helps is because now that player who can't play Tuesday would only be 6/9 twice per season. This would in my opinion be easy to schedule and not confusing to the average player as long as they can look ahead on the schedule for conflicts.

    I think it's fair to all players to rotate what day has the third game each week in order to provide balance along with limiting the season long problems some may have if there's one certain day they can't play.


    I believe this solution is quite simple and a cherry on top of the Sunday to the current plans of removing the Thursday game for 3's


    LASTLY if you support this idea please leave a like. I don't see any negative aspect and support would help.
     
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