1. SweeT 9 LoU 84

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    For the firsf season of NHL 18 S28, which looks to be one of the best and deepest seasons we have had in a long time, I decided to change it up a bit with the awards process. The idea is do a couple things differently

    1.) Find a committee, apply or nominate people who want to do the work and have the respect and knowledge of the community

    2.) Lay out the criteria of the awards before the season starts. What we are looking for and at for each award.

    3.) Do a weekly awards race update

    4.) Allow the community to have more involvement, more polling, more feedback, more ideas and possibly new awards








    Hart Memorial Trophy - Leagues Most Valuable Player
    1.) Wins
    2.) Points
    3.) +/-
    4.) Playoff teams faced
    5.) Lines played against 1st/2nd/3rd
    6.) Linemates
    7.) Positional comparison, relative to peers
    8.) Advanced Stats


    James Norris Memorial Trophy - awarded to the defenseman who
    Showed great all around ability both offensively and defensively throughout the season

    1.) Points
    2.) Giveaway/Takeaway ratio
    3.) +/-
    4.) Playoff teams faced
    5.) Fwds on their side played and their stats in those games (the island)
    6.) Advanced stats


    Frank J Selke - Awarded to the best two way forward for this regular season
    1.) Goals against
    2.) Faceoff %
    3.) Takeaways
    4.) +/-
    5.) Penalty minutes
    6.) Penalty kill %
    7.) Shots against
    8.) Advanced stats

    Vezina Trophy - awarded to the best goalie in the league
    1.) SV%
    2.) GAA
    3.) Shutouts
    4.) Wins
    5.) Games played
    6.) Record vs playoff teams

    Calder Memorial Trophy - Awarded to the rookie of the year

    1.) First Season
    2.) Wins
    3.) Points
    4.) +/-
    5.) Playoff teams faced
    6.) Lines played against 1st/2nd/3rd
    7.) Linemates
    8.) Positional comparison, relative to peers
    9.) Advanced Stats


    Lady Byng Memorial Trophy - Awarded to the player who exemplifies the best sportsman ship.
    1.) 10 or less penalty minutes (could be lower depending on canidates)
    2.) Be a genuinely good guy, don't cause issues for your team, don't be a troll and be relatively well liked by the community
    3.) Wins
    4.) Points
    5.) +/-
    6.) Low amount of hits

    Jack Adams - Awarded to the best owner in the league
    This one is up for debate.


    I changed it last season to just the owner with the best record in the nhl basically the Presidents trophy but for the owner only (which was WPG and everyone knew KB ran the team but gilleh was owner and he won the award when I ordered KB but the others on the committee didn't want it to go to a guy who wasn't actually labeled as the owner)

    Some people want it to be best nhl and ahl combined like it use to be, others want it the person who had to do a lot of work and was succesful, didn't inherit a great roster, made a lot of moves, surprised people with their teams success. I think all of that besides the ahl can and should be taken into account. We can possible keep hat as best record for the jack Adams and than add an executive of the year award for the guy who did the best job with what he has or how he built the team, curious to hear everyone else's opinion.

    King Clancy Memorial Trophy - awarded to the player who has contributed the most to the LG community in a positive manner

    1.) This is a media award in my eyes. There's not much anyone can really contribute to the league, the BOGs do all the work, the owners keep the league running, the players keep the league active. The people who should win this (growth of ESHL, growth of LG player numbers, bringing ps4 to LG, Bringing NHL esports to companies or engaging in talks with the NHL like homes and his company he works for have) sometimes these people don't even play on the actual league so i would be cool with replacing this award with a media award or something else people can think of


    ALL STAR SELECTIONS - All star selections will be chosen at
    the end of the season again based on your stats for a while season, not for half a season and there will be no game played



    Automatic Awards
    Art Ross -
    awarded to the player who leads to league in total points at the end of the regular season

    Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy - Awarded to the top goal scorer at the end of the regular season

    William M Jennings Trophy -
    awards to he G with the fewest Gs allowed min 25 games played

    NHL Plus Minus Award - awarded to the player with the highest plus minus at the end of the regular season

    Roger Crozier Saving Grace Award - Awarded to the goalie with the highest Save % at the end of the regular season, min 25 games played


    *The floor is yours for any additional stuff you think we should look at, any suggestions, ideas, committee nominees, committee applications or any other comments or suggestions to help improve the awards selection and process, all star selections and media for this upcoming season
     
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  2. Gwan

    Gwan Well-Known Member LGHL Owner (XB1) AHL GM (XB1)

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    Giveaway/Takeaway ratio is the most flawed statistic on that player summary
     
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    Perhaps players on the committee can only provide feedback and voting power in positions they do not play. I think if we have a diverse committee with several positions, this could really work.
     
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    Like defense on the committee cannot vote for the norris if they are one of the players nominated
     
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    Care to elaborate. Previously I've always just looked at takeaways and had that as the most important. However, we received a number of complaints the past two seasons a little to amount of giveaways Dmen had but I looked at it as they had the puck more.

    I also still think giveaways and takeaways aren't measured correctly, as well as blocks which would be a great addition to the statistics
     
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    SweeT 9 LoU 84 Well-Known Member LGHL Owner (XB1) FPS Staff

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    That has never happened, we also don't allow people to vote for themselves and in the team voting or polling we usually don't count teammates and players not in the league votes
     
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    He's talking about EA not getting the correct # of giveaways and takeaways
     
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    I know but how do you know. Has anyone ever gone and counted each one. I personally think there broken, giveaways and takeaways, but does anyone actually know and has recorded what registers as what.

    Is it a giveaway when you dump the puck?

    Is it giveaway when you shoot and miss the net and the other team picks it up?

    Is it a giveaway for you or your teammate when there's a suicide pass and your teammates loses it immediately?

    Is it a giveaway if you get it poked off you and it's loose but you oick it back up before the opposing team?

    Who gets the takeaway when you poke it off someone but your teammate picks it up?

    Who gets the takeaway when you hit someone but the other guy picks it up?

    Why does it show blocked shots during the game, but then at the end of the game show a different number?

    Tracking this stuff is tough but it's all we really have to look at. I'm jut trying to see what everyone thinks we should look at and weigh the most for the awards
     
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    Lady Bones at your service
     
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    I would abandon the "Island" in favor of an individual GAA metric. The island rating I just don't think is worthwhile.

    For example you could take the average goals against per game of a team and divide it by the average goals against of an individual player. If a team averages 3 goals against per game and a particular defender averages 2, he would have a rating of 1.5. The higher the better, anything under 1 means the player is below average compared to his team. Also worth it for selke IMO.
     
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    Al though I'm unable to play this season do to a hectic schedule, I'd still like to help out. Not my first rodeo

    I prefer to keep my tarp on most days though @SweeT 9 LoU 84
     
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    I would be happy to be a voter on the committee and contribute some articles during the season like how I did mid-season rankings last season. I do appreciate taco's recent write-ups and hope we have more people contribute content.
     
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    I had multiple games tonight where I remember specifically poking a puck and forcing a turnover at least 3 times per game and NHL gave me 1 takeaway per game. I didn't go back and look, but they also gave me 12 giveaways where I felt like I barely touch the puck 12 times. I don't remember turning the puck over except if I need to dump the puck, force a long pass to relieve pressure in the defensive zone, or a rare bad pass(maybe once or twice a game). To me the top 3 stats for a defenseman should be +/-, wins, playoff teams played. After that there are some interesting stats such as the average TOA it takes for the other team to score on you, your individual PK%, and your contribution to goals(although there a many underrated defenseman because they don't get a ton of points).

    From my perspective, as a defenseman I pride myself on the more defensive aspect of the games so things like personal GAA, +/-, quality of opponents, and wins really mean a lot more than the skewed giveaway/takeaway ratio. Not trying to be biased(I am sure this happens to a lot of D-men every year), but I had many great games against playoff 1st lines last year where my team won a close game and I didn't get any points but other Defensemen were rated higher because they played shit teams all year and scored 3 goals a game.. With that being said I am glad to see that you are trying to focus on something other than points when rating defensemen and I really want to help find those underrated guys that deserve the credit!

    On the other side of things, I really enjoy going deeper into individual player stats that are interesting but the average person wouldn't know unless they did research. For example, if you do the weekly update for the league MVP you could have their stats and ratings, but you could also go into advanced stats such as if that player has an outstanding faceoff ratio or if that player is involved in 80% of the team's goals when he is on the ice. There are so many people in this league that I don't think everyone knows each other or what that person is really good at and it would be interesting to read on the special things that the great players do.
     
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    edit: I removed my response here and instead made a thread here:
    http://leaguegaming.com/forums/index.php?threads/what-are-takeaways-and-giveaways-pt-1.263841/
     
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