Constitutional Amendments : Current or Retroactive? (Player's Vote)

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Thoughts on Constitutional Amendments?

  1. They should be retroactive

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  2. They should be moving forward from the time of the amendment

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  1. LG McDonald

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    When we uncover an issue with our rules we tend to lean towards an amendment. I present the issue to the owners and we vote and try to look for a better outcome.

    Curious on some opinions here. I never really considered it.

    When an issue arises and is being disputed among two teams and it requires we vote on a rule change do you think that amendment should affect the current situation as well? Or should it continue down the road of anything from this point on?

    I am curious to see thoughts on this process since there is pros and cons to both.

    The constitution doesn't really outline what happens when we amend something moving forward.

    Thought?
     
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    You can't make it retroactive unless it goes for everyone and not just the situation in question. It undermines league integrity if you just do one instance
     
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    Rule changes should only be made effective prior to the current season or playoff season. Once that regular season or playoffs starts, no changes. Any regular season rule changes would be only be effective with the upcoming season. Same with playoffs - changes should be made at any point until the first game starts. At that point, no changes until the following playoff season.
     
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    This is worded a little weird, are you asking if it should take effect immediately and impact the situation at hand and nothing else/ or the situation and then everything after forever/only things after the vote not the situation that brought up the initial rule change?
     
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    I disagree, Macros I think playoffs should be handled on a round by round basis. We all know that situations can come up and we should be able to fix them when they are pointed out. For instance the potential cluster fuck with this forfeit rule if not able to be fixed until next season will be horrendous, teams will only play if all 6 starters are there. This could prolong the playoffs for months if a team decided to.
     
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    If one team during the playoffs was able to use a rule to its advantage, every other team should have the same privilege.

    Your proposal will not solve the problem, either. In your scenario, the change would not be effective until the next round, yes? That means Milwaukee could still prolong the playoffs for months if it wanted.
     
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    Can we get better wording on all of these posts. Ffs this is the type of shit Crass needs for more loopholes.
     
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    Yes they could, but in theory any of the teams could. There is already a potential strike on the table in the ahl
     
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    Retroactive = Stockton is out.

    But it should be retroactive, unfair to teams fucked by a rule to not be affected when it finally gets removed.
     
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    The question asks :

    Should a rule amendment be restrictive or not

    If we use the current AHL situation as an example. If the owners and players agree that article two needs to be amended thereby stating forfeits are legit to be claimed should that ruling be retroactive or not?

    If it becomes retroactive that means MIL forfeit has grounds to stand. But if it is not retroactive the replay of game six is required to be completed
     
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    With the change being put in retroactively, it reinforces the proper rule whilst keeping the integrity and accountability. Not fair that if it's put in afterwards, he still gets away with it. Plus it ruins continuity with round 2 as well.
     
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    I'm tired and busy if it's confusing I am sorry.

    Retroactive means if a rule changes it affects everyone before hand as well up to date and forward.

    Not retroactive it means as if this moment the change is implemented and moving forward we enforce the change.

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    Both have occurred. We had an ineligible player issue we amended and since the rule changed to state that if an ineligible player did not affect the game the game did not need to be replayed. Therefore we did not required the team to replay the game.

    We also have had situations where a rule was amended and everything from that point on was enforced
     
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    If you make it retroactive, people could theoretically argue rulings/game results all the way back to season 1.

    You can't go and arrest my grandpa for drinkin underage because the legal drinking age was 18 back in 1945.
     
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    That's the plan, but as far I know we only had one forfeit that debated in round one
     
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    No constitution has a two week clause for rulings. And since the ruling was in regards to playoff forfeits I don't see any issues expect for one current issue

    So unless you grandma was 18 and underage drinking in the last two week she'll be good to go
     
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    You're really being absurd. If it wasn't caught sooner then what can be done? But if the here and now can be adjusted, why not?
     
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    An for the record this how I am going to write the amendment process into article one. So whatever we decide is how it will always be handled for all amendments.

    Luckily we haven't done one is forever
     
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    In the AHL situation you have a rule that was created after the amendment was created. Said rule 1.6 supercedes the current amendment in this situation, so the forfeit should stand.
     
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    Retroactive to a point where you're not resetting a large portion of effort. That variable is not something I really feel is too conclusive right now.
     
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    No idea what you are even trying to say
     
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