An AHL Management Tale

kennydubz · Dec 3, 2015

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bnoser49 · Dec 3, 2015

xSEBBYx13x said: ↑

I wasn't going to butt in, but I guess i'll throw in my 2 cents... and @Daggermouth6911 i'll start with you.

Yes there is, and you'll find out somewhere in one of the next quotes.

No sir, that is called "Filling for Appeal", after someone "Filled a Complaint" on Rockford. 2 Different things.

Again, another wrong statement... Your Management, even your NHL Owner, a select few Lehigh Valley players were running their mouths in the shoutbox. They fired the shots, he simply retaliated.... He did what anyone would do when attacked by one or more people.... defend himself.

First off, @DarthForsberg didn't assemble the Team... @Sevv09 did. @stelene 7 was the "Original" GM of the Rockford IceHogs, Sevv was his AGM. 24 Hours before the bidding, Stelene quit due to work scheduling changes. Sevv then took over as GM duties, and asked Darth to be his AGM minutes before bidding. Darth was told that all he had to do, was hold the title of AGM, and his play his "Scheduled Games"... nothing more. At the end of Week 1, Sevv decied to quit... due to getting screwed by the League out of a Compensation Claim from Hartford who did a 3 for 3 Trade with Rockford (which I was a part of)... and the 2 Defense that arrived in Rockford with me (don't remember the 2 fucktards names) decided to quit. So Darth was left all alone, short 3 players.

That's when @sicka moose came in & took AGM to help out Darth. They then asked me to if I could help (due to my past Management experiences) a little with the Games i'm in for pics & stats.... that lead to me being given the Captain/2nd AGM Status of Rockford. After week 3, I received a promotion at work, which my schedule hours changed... so I was forced sadly with retirement. Darth & sicka talked me into staying... even though I was only available now for 2 Games a Week (both Sundays). Played Week 4, and decided to step away & Quit officially, cause it was not worth taking up 4.750M of their Salary for just 2 Games, there's also some personal / real life situation that are going on in my life right now (which don't need to be discussed) which made it the deciding factor in my decision.

That, is what made Darth step down as well. His Availability wasn't the greatest either... and he did not have much time to take care of the Team due to that. (work, wife & other commitments). People that cant understand that... must not have much of a life, or have it a bit more simple than others. We play the hands we are dealt, and deal with them. We both felt bad in leaving, but before we both made our decision, we had a talk with sicka... he assured us that he would be fine, and even HE understood the situation, and was able to accept it.

Now, that i've cleared things up for you... you can stop making assumptions & know the facts. As for the forfeit.. I wasn't there or was involved in it. I just know of what I was told by BOG's. Am I ok with it? Nothing I say or do will change the fact that it happened. Would I be pissed had the roles been reversed? Of course I would, who wouldn't? Would I still cry and whine about it 2 weeks later? LOL, no... it's called "put it passed you and move on." I'm sure there's matters a tad more serious than 1 stupid forfeit.

Sooooo... time for some more quoting, shall we?

Damn fucking right sir, never seen so many clusterfucks in 1 Season.... somewhat reminds of this other league once that had a really bad Season & everything seemed to go to shits afterwards. Even though 90% of the problems weren't "Game/Servers" problems... but yeah, it's still happened & this is still a shitty Season!

So, the reasoning on that complaint was just based on what? The Roster being at 18 Players (1 over the limit)? Cause when it was brought to my attention, which I then told that person (that will remain nameless): "Who cares, they are still cap compliant & 1 Person is on IR". That being said... The evidence that was brought to attention of Staff did state

Yes, this does look like San Diego is in trouble for this... BUT, what was not brought to attention was

So, this basically means that San Diego's Roster would of been at 17, no? Hmmm... wondering if this was overlooked... or simply "swept under the rug"? Hop this helps you out somehow @GimmixPwns

Not quite sure where you have been for the past 5-6 Weeks sir.... but a SHITLOAD of people have been leaving & quitting already (myself included). Some XB1 Players whom have quit, also signed up for the new PSN League. Hopefully their Season will be better there.

Kirito x58... you sexy beast... I respect you & love you sir (no homo lol). I'm not defending what was once my Team, but this can also happen to anyone else. You know that LG is not the only League that exists, or that some people have lives, jobs or other commitments. I don't remember exactly who all were "Scheduled" for that Game by Rockford... But I do know that lots of Players have limited availabilits & time restraints due to those other commitments. I do know that @Prophets0fRage had a "Other League" Game he had to attend, and I also know no ECU's were available to play in his Place (for LG). So when the 15 Minute Mark passed, his other Game was starting in less 20 minutes. I'm not using that as an excuse... but they wouldn't of waited longer, cause then we would of been the ones Forfeitng. It's happened, it will always... let's group hug in the shower & move on.

I think that's the nicest thing I've heard people call him...

Oh please, let me answer this one Maybe he received this info, from the same person who was telling him who ALL his opponents "Confirmed" Lines were in advance. Oops, did that info just slip out? Will someone be in trouble? Stay Tuned, don't change the @LeafyTV channel!

The answer to that question is: 3) look at my previous "quote", the answer is in there somewhere.

And now... for the man of the hour... Mr @Coach Crass

You sure know how to make some frien..... I mean enemies sir. Keep it up, eventually no one will ever want to deal with you. Then you'll probably disappear somewhere, or reappear under another Tag someday.... or whatever!

Well, I feel as I have typed enough for now. Man, the free time I have when i'm not playing in Leagues... the People I talk to (some new that I had never talked to before)... The stuff I learn lol, quite entertaining. Anywho... see y'all in 2 Season once my ban expires.

PS... I made a copy of this... In case it gets deleted, just cause it took me a long time to type this & piece it all together... Besides, everyone loves juicy stories.

Y'all Have a Nice Day Now, Sebby Out!!

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Ahh wow, talk about nail on the head! Good on you sebby! If ya ever want to do some more investigative reporting I am sure I can come up with a few good topics! Lol

bnoser49 · Dec 3, 2015

Sevv09 said: ↑

It's okay I'm use to it just like when I offered to transition into the PA earlier this season. Told I couldn't and it wasn't needed which has been proven to be the opposite this season from the looks of it.
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Lol was told same thing!

Cydonian Knight · Dec 3, 2015

chalkyknight said: ↑

Ahh wow, talk about nail on the head! Good on you sebby! If ya ever want to do some more investigative reporting I am sure I can come up with a few good topics! Lol
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I'm always looking for some dirt. Now that I have some free time and all... Looking down the sight of my rifle, slowly finding a new target or two!

GimmixPwns · Dec 5, 2015

Update on this is I asked Mcdonald about having a vote to always allow GMs to agree to initial results of replayable games. He said he doesn't want GMs to have that ability

EricE30 · Dec 5, 2015

GimmixPwns said: ↑

Update on this is I asked Mcdonald about having a vote to always allow GMs to agree to initial results of replayable games. He said he doesn't want GMs to have that ability
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stop posting private convos results between you and the commish in the public forums.

you got this new guy act, but your not new.

on another note sorry your dealing with all this b.s. it does suck.

GimmixPwns · Dec 5, 2015

May have been a private message but I see no reason a commissioners ruling needs to be held private.

@EricE30 Who are you anyways you seem to think you know me from another life

EricE30 · Dec 5, 2015

GimmixPwns said: ↑

May have been a private message but I see no reason a commissioners ruling needs to be held private.

@EricE30 Who are you anyways you seem to think you know me from another life
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ima make this real simple for you....

If the commish wants the results made public he will.

GimmixPwns · Dec 5, 2015

If I want the results made public I guess I will as well. Seeing as it pertains to the rule book you all follow. You're a nutcase dude

xAlli09 · Dec 5, 2015

So says he would put it to a vote then backed out...

The Legacyyyyy · Dec 5, 2015

@EricE30 is a saint good sir. Just sit back, grab your beer, and enjoy the gifs. Although to chime in it all seems a bit harsh that because a few buttons weren't pressed in the right order that 2 weeks of games(that are wins) need to be replayed. When you have new management step in that may be unfamiliar with the myriad of systems in place here, it can be a bit daunting. If the guy went on IR, and the replacement player procedure wasn't followed to the T but 99% of us just overlooked it because we understood what was going on, then at most it seems that Sunday's games should be the only games that are forced to be replayed, at worst.

EricE30 · Dec 5, 2015

GimmixPwns said: ↑

You're a nutcase dude
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EricE30 · Dec 5, 2015

I The Legacy l said: ↑

@EricE30 is a saint good sir.
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To all the Management:

xAlli09 · Dec 5, 2015

Yo Erice I'm real happy for you I'ma let you finish... But Crass is the best target of all time.

EricE30 · Dec 5, 2015

Sevv09 said: ↑

But Crass is the best of all time.
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Coach Crass · Dec 5, 2015

Smh

Abeyant4005 · Dec 5, 2015

Sevv09 said: ↑

So says he would put it to a vote then backed out...
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No, he said he would have a vote on whether or not this rule should be changed so that if the invalid roster had no effect on the actual game itself, then there is no punishment. What @GimmixPwns suggested was that GMs could agree to take the score as it was and avoid the punishment given.

GreasyGogan · Dec 6, 2015

Holy fuck I was greasing people on these tiny details for years and never got a thread like this.

Where's my management and why aren't they stirring shit up @Riemersmaa and @PahkTheCah1387?

The PA will never be useful mostly due to the continued downward spiral of our community's negative attitudes towards helping managers out. Why would Brodie give the players any glory when most (again apologies for painting everyone with the same brush) don't give a shit about those who put the extra time and effort into league matters? So when it comes to voting, it's basically Brodie + Owners votes vs PA. I always enjoyed my time in the AHL and I know their attitudes are different and much more mature than the NHL's but the stigma still remains.

It was a rule violation and the BoGs had to act according to the constitution which GUIDELINES our league. Shame on those who mindlessly resort to blaming the league. With that said, I feel like a gentlemens agreement can be had and it happens quite often among NHL managers. Most of us have been managing for many years and understand the difficulties so we get by on a lot of gentlemen agreements. Since we are short on Ownership applications, I feel the league should allow these agreements to happen to further stimulate future Ownership applications from our AHL members. AHL managers get a lot of flack for trying to Owner in the LGHL but I'll serve as the proof that you can succeed.

TL;DR: Give the managers the chance to handle it themselves, then stuff the assholes up Crass'...pant legs...

LG McDonald · Dec 6, 2015

Savage Ns said: ↑

No, he said he would have a vote on whether or not this rule should be changed so that if the invalid roster had no effect on the actual game itself, then there is no punishment. What @GimmixPwns suggested was that GMs could agree to take the score as it was and avoid the punishment given.
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Correct, It will go to a vote today, but as a rule amendment I do not feel it would allow the Gulls to simply avoid having to replay their games. At the time of the infraction, the rule stated they couldn't be over the 17 man roster. They were, therefore the games must be replayed. The affects of an amendment to my best knowledge haven't ever been retro active.

xAlli09 · Dec 6, 2015

MCDONALD l19l said: ↑

Correct, It will go to a vote today, but as a rule amendment I do not feel it would allow the Gulls to simply avoid having to replay their games. At the time of the infraction, the rule stated they couldn't be over the 17 man roster. They were, therefore the games must be replayed. The affects of an amendment to my best knowledge haven't ever been retro active.
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MCDONALD l19l said: ↑

That is a fair debate but the game would have to be rescheduled and then like Boz said the original losing team would have to take a loss.

The rules says it has to be replayed and doesn't say you can make a side deal to have it remain the same.

The discussion that will take place this weekend will be in regards to an amendment and if that amendment will be retro active based on the appeal.
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